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Post by chernovrosk on Mar 14, 2016 11:44:25 GMT -5
//It's called having a Plan B, you should try it some time. Also WW2 Russia literally did this same thing minus the food stock. You just now breached my border as well it took me three turns to get to the middle of your country and you had no previous fortifications. Then you insta killed a few thousand troop and busted through my defense in one turn. Don't talkto me about power game when you can drop troops in my territorry and run bombing strikes even when I have anti- air across the board. So yeah, I fortified my cities. // Actually, I had loads of defences. I even made my action about Vietconging you which would have destroyed your troops before they even advanced, but my defence force and tactics were ignored. I played by the admin rules, and didn't pull shit out my ass. Like you. You're saying 'HUURHH DURHHH ANTI-AIR' when Frank literally /decimated/ your border including all anti air. We insta-killed a few thousand troops with about two million, you idiot. //Are you saying that you went through and destroyed every bit of defenses on my border, and that I simply couldn't retract remaining forces to my cities once you punched through? I find it frankly impossible to destroy every inch of my border at once even with the number of forces you had. And frankly, insulting people does not make your case any more appealing. Not only this, but you seem to think that I couldn't have anything but my forward troops and defenses, and fail to understand that I still have a lot of factories and mass produced a lot of my shit. That's how communism kinda works my friend, mas produce way more than you need just in case. Capitalism=Quality>Quantity Communism=Quality<Quantity, which does technically explain why you were able to run bombing strikes through my territory, simply meaning that my weaponry spread as thin as it was simply did not have the firepower to take out everything you threw at it, however, the cities are filled with concentrated weapons, meaning that they might be shitty and jam a lot, but there are so many it doesn't matter a whole lot. You should remember this was planned 10 OOC days ahead of time and accompanied with a shit ton of imported weapons and resources along side home made goods. As for following admin rules, none have been violated thus far by me or you, though I do feel that you've been quite powergamey throughout the war ending each of your turns with "Decimated the enemy." As for"VietConging" while it's good for keeping your military alive, it isn't very good for keeping cities under your control or taking cities over. While Vietnam had a lot of American casualties, the vietcong never won a decisive military victory and remained scattered. America only pulled out due to political issues back home, and the only reason it had such political issues was due to the fact that it was a democratic nation, in a communist state, speaking out gets you killed, which is why I've had no significant rebellions, fear mongering.
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Post by Vesnuovania on Mar 14, 2016 12:27:01 GMT -5
//you lost your ability to produce effective goods when you started conscripting citizens and mobilizing your army reserve.
edit: also your planning sucks
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Post by chernovrosk on Mar 14, 2016 14:09:05 GMT -5
//you lost your ability to produce effective goods when you started conscripting citizens and mobilizing your army reserve. edit: also your planning sucks //Citizens were just given guns and a daily training schedule they didn't stop working all together. Mobilizing the military doesn't shut down factories.
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Post by chernovrosk on Mar 14, 2016 14:13:08 GMT -5
// You guys are pulling excuses out of your ass to say I don't have a military or stocked up resources and that just isn't true.
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Post by bettamin on Mar 14, 2016 14:22:42 GMT -5
Combined Joint Task Force - Operation Winter Storm Southern Front
Running off of the successes prior bombing runs, the Khartumian Imperial Air Force continues to increase the range of its bombing runs, now cooperating with fighters coming from the docked Frankish carriers in Istanvania to assault the remaining air fields and work to destroy the remaining air power of the Chernovroski Air Force. Comprised primarily of the aircraft developed by the independent Frankish companies Lockheart and Armistead Noel, the Franks piloting the latest generations, these aircraft were remarkably complex and modern, but the Frankish Air Force could only deploy as many as their carrier fleet could hold, which limited their overall deployment to about ninety aircraft, sixty five of which were fighter craft, flying routes. The Khartumian Imperial Air Force, despite being smaller than the Frankish Air Force, had devoted one hundred and seventy three craft to the operations, artificially expanding their northern long range air bases to account for the mass redeployment of craft. These craft required much larger quantities of fuel to sustain them over their much lengthier runs, but nevertheless operations continued smoothly.
Approximately 180 members of the 71st Imperial Highlanders completed their HALO jumps under the cover of the bombing runs, taking less than ten casualties, the majority of which were suffered when their transport took a direct hit to the cargo compartment, instantly killing them and members of the crew. The pilots managed to bring the vessel to a safe stop outside of Chernovroski territory to be brought in for repairs.
The members of the 71st that had successfully made their marks quickly regrouped and began their assigned task of conducting systematic attacks on both Chernovroski retreating columns and the evacuated Chernovroski military bases with the intention of securing armaments for dissidents and disrupting the retreat with the intention of laving quantities of the Chernovroski Armed Forces stranded outside their fortified cities when the combined WEST and CJTF-OWS forces encircled them.
Western Front
The Western Front was characterized by a rapid advance across secured lanes of movement. Frankish logistical elements had established secure lines of supply leading into the Chernovroski front, running through Iranistania from the Khartumian Empire and south through Ezic from Gladitoria. These secured routes were cleared of obstacles and held to allow uninterrupted and rapid advance of the CJTF-OWS columns, with secondary access granted to the forces of WEST.
Frankish Artillery quickly moved to dig in at the front, providing long range support for the Walff Marine Corps as they secured territories from the dictatorship. Gladitoria and the Khartumian Empire instead diverted their efforts into a rapid push deep into the Chernovroski territory, mechanized columns aiming to piggyback off the prior miraculous successes of the forces of WEST to encircle the key cities of Chernovrosk, the main effort being directed at the encircling of the Chernovroski capital.
Supported by the Frankish Air Force and Artillery, the combined offensive of the Khartumian and Gladitorian forces was nicknamed Operation Spring Liberation, as per the objective of "liberating" the oppressed people of Chernovrosk by spring time. A secret element of the operation included a joint force of ten operatives from each country, the Khartumians retasking ten of their already-inserted 71st Imperial Highlanders, to pass through the Capital defenses in an attempt to infiltrate it.
The Gladitorian Legion XIII, a semi-autonomous unit composed primarily of war veterans with access to a unique arsenal of weaponry, splits off somewhere along the combined offensive, plunging into the Chernovroski countryside, their intentions difficult to decipher because of their loose attachments to the chain of command. //I disagree with your lolpatriot nation, there would likely be a degree of dissent kept under the sheets, just not emerging in violence until the people actually believed they have any sort of chance, nor do I agree with your ability to have such a large supply, but I do agree that the way your defenses collapsed was a bit unfair given that Istanvania barely suffered as it should have. Still, going ahead with this since it seems like its the way things are going.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 14:31:17 GMT -5
// I don't believe that a nation ever did something akin to what you're doing, and there are a lot of faults to it.
1. A daily training schedule lowers productivity, regardless if it doesn't stop people from working altogether. Bad for your already failing economy. 2. Giving everyone guns comes with 2 issues. a. an increase in violent crime, especially in a moment of huge unrest with a war and totalitarian government. b. consumption of resources and manpower to hand out the weapons. Mass-production at a level of your government will likely come with defects within your army. 3. Not everyone is willing to fight, especially with a government such as yours. You can't assume that your entire population is now a fighting force. 4. Furthermore, all populations have a mix of youth and elderly. 5. Literally no nation in the world is trading with you right now... war-time and mass production has likely depleted a lot of your metals. 6. It's no doubt that your military's morale is failing. You had an edge in the war but after being utterly destroyed -- which is something your government can't hide, your army probably doesn't want to fight anymore.
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Post by chernovrosk on Mar 14, 2016 14:41:40 GMT -5
// I don't believe that a nation ever did something akin to what you're doing, and there are a lot of faults to it. 1. A daily training schedule lowers productivity, regardless if it doesn't stop people from working altogether. Bad for your already failing economy. 2. Giving everyone guns comes with 2 issues. a. an increase in violent crime, especially in a moment of huge unrest with a war and totalitarian government. b. consumption of resources and manpower to hand out the weapons. Mass-production at a level of your government will likely come with defects within your army. 3. Not everyone is willing to fight, especially with a government such as yours. You can't assume that your entire population is now a fighting force. 4. Furthermore, all populations have a mix of youth and elderly. 5. Literally no nation in the world is trading with you right now... war-time and mass production has likely depleted a lot of your metals. 6. It's no doubt that your military's morale is failing. You had an edge in the war but after being utterly destroyed -- which is something your government can't hide, your army probably doesn't want to fight anymore. // I think you guys are giving yourselves more credit than you have earned. You only got rid of my invasion force, blew up 2-3 airfields and busted 2-3 holes in a nationwide fortified border. An accomplishment, but nowhere near a decisive victory. I imported more than enough metals than I would need hence the ooc week of constant shipments. I don't have aircraft anymore, but I still have ground vehicles and a lot of soldiers. You guys are saying you've won before you've fought the second half of the war. As for giving out guns, it's communism the low quality is a given and I have expressed this repeatedly.
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Post by chernovrosk on Mar 14, 2016 21:57:32 GMT -5
//refer to the region board on actual website.
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Post by ezicstar on Apr 3, 2016 15:18:35 GMT -5
Plz close this down soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 22:39:49 GMT -5
Plz close this down soon. It's closed lol
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